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« on: May 06, 2010, 09:51:04 PM »

Tough loss for the Pens tonight.  I hope that doesn't come back to bite them in this series.  They've certainly come back before though with their backs against the wall (Washington and Detroit last year).  In any event, they still have home ice in a best of three series.  Halak is unbelievable though. 
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 08:46:35 AM »

Halak is the reason the Habs are tied. The Pens have dominated play for about 80% of the time during this series. But they cannot consistently beat Halak when Montreal's defense breaks down and Halak is not giving away goals otherwise. Fluery has played well; Halak has been extraordinary except for that first game.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2010, 12:21:20 PM »

My take:
The Pens are not a really great shooting team.  Malkin and Gonchar seemingly have the ability to hit some spots when they shoot.  But, in general, I don't think they are a great shooting team.  They are a good passing team.  They score a lot of goals from deflections and making traffic in front of the net.  Not being a great shooting team is hurting them.  When they have open shots, it is usually by guys who aren't good enough to hit their spots.  Think about most of the goals they have scored.  They have been perfectly placed shots and STILL barely beat Halak.  Halak is always in the right position and moves very quickly.  Even that Malkin PP goal in 3 was almost stopped.  That's a goal that has beaten many a goaltender this year by a wide margin.  Halak almost got to it and the shot was practically on the post!

At this point, they really need to work on deflections and getting traffic in front of him.  Or, they need to hit the corners of the net.  Smashing 35 shots into his chest isn't going to get them anywhere in this series.  They can't count on getting open shots through passing.  The one timers just aren't there.  Halak is very heady and always perfect in his angles/positioning.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2010, 02:04:08 PM »

I agree with PMike, Halek was able to beat Caps because they took shots from farther away.  Can't shoot from far away and get it by him unless he is screened so need to go in chip away.

Helps if Gill is not out there too.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 04:11:29 PM »

Fleury might have to steal another game like he did Game 3.  If there is one sport where one player can keep a far inferior team competitive against a far superior team, it's hockey and that one player is your goaltender.  Top to bottom, I think the Pens are the better team.  I still think they will take the series, but this is the second game that Halak has more or less won on his own. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2010, 05:57:51 AM »

This was a really disappointing loss.  I didn't think any body could shut down Crosby and Malkin for this long.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 09:04:12 AM »

For Pens fans, this will forever be known as the year of Halak.

IMO, the Pens were BY FAR the better team.  Except the final score, the Pens were dominant in nearly every part of the game (except blocked shots).  The difference was Halak.  I think he is playing better now than he ever will ever again in his career.  Crosby was asked after the game about Montreal being a solid team.  He said something to the effect that he had never in all of his years of playing saw a team that intentionally allow themselves to be outchanced 2-1 every game.  Let alone be successful doing that.  Personally, and you can call me bitter I suppose, but I refuse to call Montreal the better team.  They had the better goalie and that singlehandedly made the difference.

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 09:37:27 AM »

For Pens fans, this will forever be known as the year of Halak.

IMO, the Pens were BY FAR the better team.  Except the final score, the Pens were dominant in nearly every part of the game (except blocked shots).  The difference was Halak.  I think he is playing better now than he ever will ever again in his career.  Crosby was asked after the game about Montreal being a solid team.  He said something to the effect that he had never in all of his years of playing saw a team that intentionally allow themselves to be outchanced 2-1 every game.  Let alone be successful doing that.  Personally, and you can call me bitter I suppose, but I refuse to call Montreal the better team.  They had the better goalie and that singlehandedly made the difference.

Mike

I couldn't disagree more. I thought the Canadiens were just as good as the Penguins through six games and then the Penguins completely imploded last night. The Penguins might have outshot the Canadiens most nights but what does that really mean? They outshot the Canadiens last night by a wide margin, but that was because they dug themselves a four goal hole and Montreal was content to sit back. In fact, the Canadiens outshot the Penguins in two of the three games that the Pens won this series, for largely the same reason.

Simply put, I think the Canadiens had a better plan and executed it well. They were content to just clog the middle and force everything to the outside. Sooner or later the Penguins would get frustrated or sloppy and give up a rush the other way. When they did, Montreal was lethal -- it seemed like every time the Pens turned the puck over at the blue line it wound up in the back of the net. Conversely, the Penguins couldn't score on a breakaway or odd-man rush the entire series. I can't remember a single one.

I think the biggest difference between this year and last is that the Penguins were one of the most responsible teams in their defensive zone last year, whereas this year they were really sloppy. I'm sure losing Gill and Scuderi contributed to that, but the team as a whole seemed to play less of the system and more freelance hockey this year. Versus a strong defensive team like Montreal, that didn't work for Washington and it didn't work for the Penguins either. The Pens obviously didn't learn anything from watching the Capitals go down.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 10:35:09 AM »

I especially agree with statement, didn't learn anything from watching the Caps go down.

The Pens strategy should have been to shut down Montreal. Montreal's offense is poor and the Pens should have been able to hold the Habs scoring down.  Instead they gave the Habs lots of good scoring chances and the Habs took advantage of them.  The Habs had a couple times where they were on the ropes and then all of a sudden they scored a couple goals to take the lead. 

the series should have ended in game 6 once the Pens got the lead. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 10:58:31 AM »


Note Hockey Expert Thomas Boswell on Pens:


Tom Boswell: Oh, I thought Crosby missed the whole series with an injury. Wasn't he out with two broken ankles?

He played like it.

Ovechkin was good against the Habs, just not goods enough. Crosby stunk it up. Who cares if Canada won the Olympics? Hockey is their sport. They should. Big deal. (Okay, I know it's a big deal.) But, right now, I'd take Eight over Crosby.

Last night, after his stupid penalty in the first 10 seconds __the biggest play/mistake of the game since it gave the habs an instant 1-0 lead__ Crosby just disappeared. Did he and Gonchar have a plane to catch?

As for lame excuses, I've never heard Ovechkin say anything like Crosby's whine: "I don't know how that's a penalty (for boarding) in the first 10 seconds of Game Seven. Yes, I'm stunned."

They called it for the same reason it's been called in every minute of the season, dope. It wasn't even close. If Ovechkin had done it, it would have been called borderline dirty, too.

Crosby was "stunned" because they had the guts to call it on HIM in his own building.

I always hated the Igloo. Nothing but bad memories. Glad to see 'em close the barn that way.

The Pens lost even though they had been given fair warning by the Caps-Habs series that Monmtreal was good, hot and playing a system that would thwart their style. That just says to me that they were ready to be taken and that, if the Caps had beaten Molntreal, they'd have handled the Pens, too. That's what I thought all season __undefeated vs Pitts__ and I think it even more now.

When will the Caps retool __not rebuild__ their roster so it can cope better with a Montreal-type series next spring?

Bruce Boudreau's wonderful chat here yesterday, always so honest, seems to shopw that the Caps have curled up for the summer with the Hot Goalie, We're Better, We Didn't Really Choke, Don't Need To Change Much line of easiest possible excuses. There's truth in all of those points. But you don't get better by focusing on them. You need to look at one goal in each of the last three games and say, "That isn't ALL the goalie. If you let those guys get even one goal ahead, they've mastered a style that'll drive you crazy if you can't score in close and ugly."



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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 01:31:22 PM »


Note Hockey Expert Thomas Boswell on Pens:


Tom Boswell: Oh, I thought Crosby missed the whole series with an injury. Wasn't he out with two broken ankles?

He played like it.

Ovechkin was good against the Habs, just not goods enough. Crosby stunk it up. Who cares if Canada won the Olympics? Hockey is their sport. They should. Big deal. (Okay, I know it's a big deal.) But, right now, I'd take Eight over Crosby.

Last night, after his stupid penalty in the first 10 seconds __the biggest play/mistake of the game since it gave the habs an instant 1-0 lead__ Crosby just disappeared. Did he and Gonchar have a plane to catch?

As for lame excuses, I've never heard Ovechkin say anything like Crosby's whine: "I don't know how that's a penalty (for boarding) in the first 10 seconds of Game Seven. Yes, I'm stunned."

They called it for the same reason it's been called in every minute of the season, dope. It wasn't even close. If Ovechkin had done it, it would have been called borderline dirty, too.

Crosby was "stunned" because they had the guts to call it on HIM in his own building.

I always hated the Igloo. Nothing but bad memories. Glad to see 'em close the barn that way.

The Pens lost even though they had been given fair warning by the Caps-Habs series that Monmtreal was good, hot and playing a system that would thwart their style. That just says to me that they were ready to be taken and that, if the Caps had beaten Molntreal, they'd have handled the Pens, too. That's what I thought all season __undefeated vs Pitts__ and I think it even more now.

When will the Caps retool __not rebuild__ their roster so it can cope better with a Montreal-type series next spring?

Bruce Boudreau's wonderful chat here yesterday, always so honest, seems to shopw that the Caps have curled up for the summer with the Hot Goalie, We're Better, We Didn't Really Choke, Don't Need To Change Much line of easiest possible excuses. There's truth in all of those points. But you don't get better by focusing on them. You need to look at one goal in each of the last three games and say, "That isn't ALL the goalie. If you let those guys get even one goal ahead, they've mastered a style that'll drive you crazy if you can't score in close and ugly."



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What tripe. Boswell is shameless. But who would expect otherwise from a WP columnist?

Anyway: The Habs played their style to perfection against the Pens. And yet, the Habs won the series 4 games to 3. The Pens dominated play for much of the series. If Halak had been merely good instead of superb, the Pens win this series 4 games to 2 if not 4 to 1. But Halak was superb in every game but the first. Hence, the outcome.

Crosby was rightly stunned about the boarding call. The call was silly. It was beyond cheap because it was unclear then and remains unclear now that Crosby had committed a boarding violation. Rule 42.1:

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A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.

I saw nothing of the sort. I saw the Habs player hit the boards and fall to the ice. I did not see him strike the boards with such violence that Crosby earned a penalty for the check and the Refs rightly penalized for the play. This was just a really bad call. Why should Crosby refuse to point that out. It is true and apt given the circumstances.

Boswell hated the Igloo. It had bad memories. To whom was this information important besides Boswell, his mother (assuming she actually cares) and other bitter Capitals' fans?

Washington loses, but it appears that Washington was not ready to be taken, according to Boswell. Pittsburgh loses but it appears that that the Pens were ready to be taken. In other words: Washington should have won if the team had prepared for this series; the Pens rightly lost because of a lack of... What? Why does this series expose the Pens? Who knows. Boswell does not know. He would have given his readers a credible reason if he had one. But he does not have a credible explanation. He is thus left with implying that the Habs surprised Washington but the Pens could not have been surprised by Montreal and therefore really did lose their series....

Sports journalism = an affirmative action program for fools.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 04:06:47 PM »


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A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in fall in the direction of the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.



FIXED - See, Crosby was boarding...
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2010, 05:30:46 AM »

Washington fans/sports writers are so obsessed with this whole Crosby v. Ovechkin thing.  It is pretty pathetic and extremely juvenile when it comes from a supposed journalist.

Although, I was very pleased when I heard Mike Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser (two Washington columnists) say that Crosby is the best hockey player on the planet.
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