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« on: February 04, 2010, 03:06:29 PM » |
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The PG ran an http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10035/1033306-192.stm editorial that called for Nutting to sell. Now, if I had my druthers, he would sell. But, he doesn't look like he's going to and I generally agree with the plan the front office has, so I can be patient; after all what's another season or two when you're in so deep? My question is about the PG's ethics. Should they not disclose they were once partial owners and had similar input for several years as Nutting did at the time? Do they take no responsibility? Do they just get to pretend they had nothing to do with this mess? In addition, did their partial ownership allow this situation to develop. They did not do a good job covering the team (the one they co-owned) at the time and never called into question many bad moves that were made. I'm calling them hypocrits. |
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 03:11:57 PM » |
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The last part is such a good point that I don't think anyone could dispute. Well said Novelist.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 03:17:21 PM » |
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The PG editorial board seems to be a little history-challenged. The "sports owner powerhouse" they're referring to has produced as many last-place teams as winners and more bottom-feeding payrolls than Nutting has as principal owner. They have no experience in a non-payroll-capped environment and no history of spending money beyond the team's earnings. The "reasoning" in that editorial is on a level with letting your three-year-old kid tell you which stocks to invest in based on how much he likes the companies' logos.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 03:24:17 PM » |
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I read the editorial this morning and found it to be very weak. As is often written on the sports pages when a team is underperforming and playing lethargically; it appears to me that this editorial was simply 'mailed in'.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 03:27:58 PM » |
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I never knew the PG was part-owner of the Pirates. Can anyone provide links or more information on the ownership? How much did they own and from what years?
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 03:31:03 PM » |
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I read the editorial this morning and found it to be very weak. As is often written on the sports pages when a team is underperforming and playing lethargically; it appears to me that this editorial was simply 'mailed in'.
Mailed in or not; I applaud the PG for the editorial. The vast majority of fans agree with their stance. Unfortunately; Nutting being Nutting will not really care about the fans perception and this will only kick in the stubborness gene and motivate him not to sell. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 03:35:27 PM » |
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The vast majority of fans agree with their stance.
Nothing like bold and innovative thinking. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 03:38:40 PM » |
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I read the editorial this morning and found it to be very weak. As is often written on the sports pages when a team is underperforming and playing lethargically; it appears to me that this editorial was simply 'mailed in'.
Mailed in or not; I applaud the PG for the editorial. The vast majority of fans agree with their stance. Unfortunately; Nutting being Nutting will not really care about the fans perception and this will only kick in the stubborness gene and motivate him not to sell. He shouldn't care about the fans' perception. The fans, for the most part, don't have a clue what's going on. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 03:52:26 PM » |
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Cleveland fans hated the trade where the Indians got Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips for Bartolo Colon. Stupid Indians should never have made that trade. Nutting should be listening to the people who were ecstatic when Littlefield acquired Sean Casey, Jeromy Burnitz and Joe Randa. The fans always know best.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 05:19:56 PM » |
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"My question is about the PG's ethics. Should they not disclose they were once partial owners and had similar input for several years as Nutting did at the time? Do they take no responsibility? Do they just get to pretend they had nothing to do with this mess?
In addition, did their partial ownership allow this situation to develop. They did not do a good job covering the team (the one they co-owned) at the time and never called into question many bad moves that were made."
Wow, dynamite drop-in my friend. I had completely forgotten about this. If someone had brought this up today on Smizik's blog I think all hell would've broken loose.
Very interesting...
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 08:56:28 PM » |
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The vast majority of fans agree with their stance.
Nothing like bold and innovative thinking. I agree with JollyRoger. Most people who know me know that I am a huge Pirates' fan. There hasn't been a day since the Penguins story was released that someone hasn't mentioned it to me. It doesn't make the fans right, but I agree that more people want Nutting to sell than stay on as the Pirates' Owner. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 09:04:34 PM » |
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The vast majority of fans agree with their stance.
Nothing like bold and innovative thinking. I agree with JollyRoger. Most people who know me know that I am a huge Pirates' fan. There hasn't been a day since the Penguins story was released that someone hasn't mentioned it to me. It doesn't make the fans right, but I agree that more people want Nutting to sell than stay on as the Pirates' Owner. And I think that's all Wilbur is saying, that the kind of groupthink exhibited by the "vast majority" of Pirates fans doesn't necessarily mean they know what's best. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2010, 09:27:31 PM » |
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The vast majority of fans agree with their stance.
Nothing like bold and innovative thinking. I agree with JollyRoger. Most people who know me know that I am a huge Pirates' fan. There hasn't been a day since the Penguins story was released that someone hasn't mentioned it to me. It doesn't make the fans right, but I agree that more people want Nutting to sell than stay on as the Pirates' Owner. And I think that's all Wilbur is saying, that the kind of groupthink exhibited by the "vast majority" of Pirates fans doesn't necessarily mean they know what's best. Well, my principal point is that I don't see much need for an editorial page if all they can do is parrot the fans. Just print some letters to the editor. |
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2010, 09:42:53 PM » |
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And I think that's all Wilbur is saying, that the kind of groupthink exhibited by the "vast majority" of Pirates fans doesn't necessarily mean they know what's best.
In what bizarro universe is Bob Nutting staying on as Pirates owner "what's best"? I mean...I can see where there are those on this board who want to give the guy a chance...but I would hope that even they would agree that the only way for the Pirates to be competitive with Nutting as owner is for a bunch of things to go just right at the same time. How exactly is this "what's best"? You honestly think there isn't possibly a better owner out there than...Bob Nutting? Yeesh. RJR |
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2010, 09:51:19 PM » |
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And I think that's all Wilbur is saying, that the kind of groupthink exhibited by the "vast majority" of Pirates fans doesn't necessarily mean they know what's best.
In what bizarro universe is Bob Nutting staying on as Pirates owner "what's best"? I mean...I can see where there are those on this board who want to give the guy a chance...but I would hope that even they would agree that the only way for the Pirates to be competitive with Nutting as owner is for a bunch of things to go just right at the same time. How exactly is this "what's best"? You honestly think there isn't possibly a better owner out there than...Bob Nutting? Yeesh. RJR No one said Nutting is the best possible owner. Why do people insist on creating straw men to argue against instead of addressing the actual topic? |
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